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Somebody is terrified of gold's likely message, Grandich tells Bull Market Thinking

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The assault on gold is so severe that someone in authority must be terrified by the message that a rising gold price brings, market analyst and mining company consultant Peter Grandich tells Bull Market Thinking's Tekoa da Silva in an interview tonight:

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vox old boy, you just don't get it.

If my business is buying and selling cabbages, I'll do what I can to push my selling price higher and my buying costs lower. So would I be manipulating the market however local it is? You damn right. That is the reality of business.

"Does he not understand that this is perfectly normal when deflationary times set in? "

The only deflation that exists is debt deflation. The de-leveraging process is on-going. That prices and demand for commodities has fallen is only a symptom of falling demand. Demand has fallen due to lowered disposable incomes world-wide. Oh and just to bring you up to date, ain't nothing normal about this global economic mess. This has never happened before. There are no precedents and any economic model is questionable. The models are just gedanken experiments. They are untested, not for public distribution, based upon already demonstrated examples of failure. History only tells us what happened. It never tells us what might have happened had we done something different.

"Gold is a freakin' commodity. It is not a religion."
Believe what you will. Gold has always been considered money since written history began. I put more confidence in 1000's of years of written history than in the mouthings of the illegitimate offspring of Maynard Keynes (present company excepted). Please note "confidence" and not belief or faith.

"... I would prefer to continue to get the market right ... ."
Hog squat. And no, I'm not gonna bother down-arrowing you. But thank you for trying to save a poor deluded fool like myself from spending my meager disposable monies on expensive metal trinkets.

I ain't selling anything. I bought yesterday and might buy more today. Au under $1200USD woo-hoo.
This might be the last great buying opportunity of our lifetime. Or ... maybe vox was right all along.
If I'm wrong, I still have something that has value after it all shakes out.

Coming full circle,
"Grandich has no clue of what is going on and why."
But you know otherwise. Come on, tell me. Do you have a secret decoder ring?
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Thanks for your response. You got many things right. Most sadly, you were correct about my age.

There is more than just debt deflation going on. Both gold and bonds have been heading lower and they are both asset classes. Folks are not only getting out of certain assets to cover their asses elsewhere, some folks just see the wisdom of being in cash at times such as these. And some folks operate with the understanding that every dog has its day, but as no day lasts forever, they rotate in and out of various investments.

You are also correct about the current situation being unique. That being said, all situations are unique and even though that is so, it does not mean that certain commonalities are not shared and that history cannot shed some light on what has worked and what has not. Myself, i see enough similarities between what is going on now with what took place in the Rome of Julius Caesar's time to believe that we would do well to attempt the same reforms he undertook. [By the way, i loved how you fit the term "gedanken experiment" into your post, letting me know that you have more than just a pedestrian knowledge of theoretical physics.]

Many different examples of what was used for money in ancient times exist. Silver, bronze and grains are some of the most familiar. My favourite is the kumal system, which might have given rise to the expression "it cost an arm and a leg." That aside, today it is paper that is used to represent money. Gold is an asset class these days. And for that we should be happy. i make that claim because our putative leaders are busily doing their best to destroy the value of our money and so it is good to have an asset that we can turn to as a hedge that is both liquid and easily transportable, unlike land. Were it that gold is still money, they would have been doing their best to destroy its value (with equal success) and pieces of paper with numbers written on them, while easily transportable, would have no liquidity.

By the way, i am not a Keynesian. (But neither are those who are in power these days. Keynes believed that easy money had to be accompanied by lowering taxes and none of the swine are lowering taxes.) At this point, not believing in any economic theory that is known, for giggles i have been trying to develop one of my own.

In my many posts, there has been but a single attempt to give anyone specific advice on what to do with their money. That would have been back at the end of March when Dom 1971 was begging someone to kill him. i felt bad for him and with gold at $1,600, i suggested he figure out how much money he would require to see him through the next 6 months, divide that total by 400 and then sell that number of ounces of gold. i told him that by the end of September, he would be able to buy back all of the ounces he had sold with the $1,200 he had set aside from the initial sale, thereby living "for free" those 6 months and still having the same number of ounces left. Admittedly, my estimate for how long the $400 drop would require was off, but not in a way that could have hurt him. Foolishly, (like my idiot brother) he did not follow my advice, if his continued whinging is any indication.....But that has been it for advice. i understand that different people have different circumstances and so there is nothing that will apply to everyone, regardless of age, geographic location or disposable income.

i, too, am looking to start layering in buys, though i might wait until August to do so. [Silver seems to have more upside potential, though the current premiums for it are outrageous.] This correction may still have some legs to it and as i do not expect gold to do much of anything for perhaps 2 years once it has run its course, waiting that extra month ought not to hurt. But buying at this price will certainly pay off for you if you are able to wait for gold to shine again.

i actually do have a secret decoder ring. It came in a box of Tide that i got off Matonis on a dark street corner.

In truth, there is no secret. i pay attention to capital flows. Follow the money. It is as simple as that.

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i laughed my ass off when i read your post from Sunday on the NSA. Your use of the lines from "Santa Claus is Coming to Town" was hilarious.


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Grandich has no clue of what is going on and why. His vision is restricted because he is only looking at the gold market. Is he unaware that zinc, copper, lead and a host of other commodities (to say nothing about bonds) have also been going down quite dramatically? His talk about manipulation is largely nonsense. Does he not understand that this is perfectly normal when deflationary times set in?

The almost total lack of intellectual curiosity--or perhaps honesty--that seems to permeate almost every corner of this tiny sector of the economy is unlike anything to be found in any other. Gold is a freakin' commodity. It is not a religion. It cannot go in just one direction. Those who tell you otherwise, or that gold only goes down because of manipulation, are charlatans who most likely have something to sell you.

As for those down arrows that my comments seem to elicit, I would prefer to continue to get the market right and have you hate me than get it wrong and be loved.
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Correction, gold is money. If you have any doubts that this statement is true I suggest you consult 6000 or more years of history. Once again, you hold up your opinion as valid while trashing the opinion billions of other people hold.
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Correction, gold is money. If you have any doubts that this statement is true I suggest you consult 6000 or more years of history. Once again, you hold up your opinion as valid while trashing the opinion billions of other people hold. Read more
Hart - 7/10/2013 at 5:13 PM GMT
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