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>The Latest New York Times Nonsense About Lincoln  - Tom DiLorenzo - 
John O:

The Preamble to the Constitution is as follows: WE THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES, IN ORDER TO FORM A MORE PERFECT UNION, ESTABLISH JUSTICE, INSURE DOMESTIC TRANQUILITY, PROVIDE FOR THE COMMON DEFENSE, PROMOTE THE GENERAL WELFARE, AND SECURE THE BLESSINGS OF LIBERTY TO OURSELVES AND OUR POSTERITY, DO ORDAIN AND ESTABLISH THIS CONSTITUTION FOR THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

This is definite by any standard: the signers of this document committed their posterity to this Union. This is as cut and dried any anything I can think of. It insured the protection of said union against those that would upset the "domestic tranquility."

Further, a number of citizens within that union initiated violence: firing cannon, seizing property, endangering lives. This is not "relatively meaningless" as you suggest, and you would not think it so if such actions were taken against you and yours.

The only arugment anyone can make, like Lysander Spooner did, is that the States had no right to bind their posterity to such an agreement in the first place. The problem then, is that if States have the right to leave the Union, then counties within that State have a right to leave the State, and citites have a right of independence from the county -- eventually leaving only individuals beholden to no law or authority other than their own. Succession once begun leaves only the individual standing as judge, jury and executioner. That is anarchy and chaos.

With that I retire from the field and give you the last word.

Jim


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